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PostSubject: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 1:04 am

It's a miracle.

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Atheist who tried to prove Shroud of Turin was fake becomes Christian after alarming evidence

David Rolfe said he "cannot possibly understand anything else that could have produced that image" in reference to the picture of a blood-soaked imprint of a man matching Jesus Christ's description on cloth relic.

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The filmmaker set out to make a documentary the Shroud of Turin, one of the most revered religious artifacts in history, and said he had intended to find a prosaic explanation.

But the photography expert, who is British, was so astonished with what he discovered, he's converted to Christianity. David spoke this week after more recent analysis of the artifact, using modern X-ray techniques once again placed the cloth's origin back to the time of Christ.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/athiest-who-set-out-prove-33507055
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PostSubject: Re: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 1:05 am

I think I've said before that the image of the Shroud of Turin used to haunt me as a child. I'd seen it in a book or somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 1:10 am

I also found this when doing my research. The Daily Express of all newspapers has used AI upon the Shroud of Turin to show what Jesus really looked like.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1938934/Jesus-face-AI-Turin-Shroud
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PostSubject: Re: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 9:29 am

I thought the Shroud of Milan had long since been dated to several hundred years after the time of Christ, at the earliest.

Also, blood (and therefore anything it’s in contact with) rots quite quickly unless special effort is taken. It’s the first thing to become corrupt in any corpse - within hours. Unless the fabric was very carefully treated, preserved, and protected, wouldn’t it disintegrate?

It obviously has been treated, reserved, and protected from the time it was created. But was the creation two thousand years ago, and why would they treat, preserve, and protect the shroud of an executed prisoner with a handful of followers? And why would even that handful - who were Jewish - desecrate a body by removing the burial shroud themselves? Because that is desecration in Jewish law. Are there shrouds of any other executed people of the time in existence? A lot of archaeology takes place in the region so either there must be many, or there are none. The existence of more than one from Jewish burials (so not protected by a coffin) of heavily bloodied bodies in that climate would at least prove it possible.

For this to be real and to have ended up in Christian hands, Jews would’ve had to do it because Christian’s didn’t exist. Jews don’t handle or store the blood of the dead, ever, it’s a major no no. Everything from burial of people to kosher slaughter is about avoiding contact with blood - even post mortems aren’t routinely carried out, even in the case of murder, because the body is a pathogen containing putrefaction that must be disposed of within hours, with as few people coming into contact with it as possible. For those who can’t avoid doing so, they can’t ritually purify themselves after contact with something like a burial shroud covered in blood if the sacrireligious contaminant is still there in their possession.

Relics, particularly of the bloody variety - which this is - are a Catholic and Eastern Orthodox thing, not a Jewish thing. And there was no Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy at the time because Christianity hadn’t yet developed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 10:04 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Material_historical_analysis

Even without that, the fact that Jews didn’t and don’t make relics of corpse related things (while the only groups that do - Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christian’s didn’t exist then, but only subsequently developed and would’ve referenced it in multiple sources as the greatest relic in their possession long before the 12th century had it existed before then) make the likelihood of this thing being the shroud of Christ near zero.

In all this time, only the fragmented remnants of shrouds have ever turned up in the wealth of archeology in the region of that era. Everything else has rotted away over millennia or was consumed rather quickly, as is the point - it’s why Jews traditionally weren’t buried inside coffins, and still aren’t in Israel. Covered in blood like this one*, it would’ve attracted everything that could crawl into a tomb and been gone within no time.

Send this fool back to school. David Rolfe knows nothing about the religion he’s joined, and even less about the ethnoreligion his ludicrous claims mean must’ve been responsible for the retrieval and preservation of this material. Myth upon myth.

*it’s not possible btw, for a Jew covered in that degree of blood to be buried in that state to make such a mess. He’d have been washed very thoroughly and prepared first, with those washing and preparing then undergoing ritual purification. All that would be on a real shroud within days and weeks would be leakage from unplugged orifices and then the remnants of any explosion of the body - not a perfectly tidy bloody impression of a face.
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PostSubject: Re: The Shroud of Turin   The Shroud of Turin Icon_minitimeThu Aug 22, 2024 10:25 am

All in all, rather too reminiscent of this…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

George C. Parker (March 16, 1860[1] – 1937) was an American con man best known for his repeated successes "selling" the Brooklyn Bridge. He made his living conducting illegal sales of property he did not own, often New York's public landmarks, to unwary immigrants.
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