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The Call of the Wendigo Admin
Posts : 150268 Karma : 1205 Join date : 2018-05-02
| Subject: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 2:59 pm | |
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The Call of the Wendigo Admin
Posts : 150268 Karma : 1205 Join date : 2018-05-02
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 3:00 pm | |
| It is strange that I'm shocked he's died, when he was nearly 90. _________________ |
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Nightjar
Posts : 114196 Karma : 931 Join date : 2018-05-05
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 3:34 pm | |
| He was quite the mentalist. Camper than Liberace. There'd likely be no Elton without him. _________________ Disprove the return of a potato (5)
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Fangirl Three
Posts : 11560 Karma : 397 Join date : 2018-05-03
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 3:49 pm | |
| I thought he died in about 1959. _________________ ' "Haven't got houses." Where do they live then?'
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Butterfield
Posts : 20106 Karma : 417 Join date : 2018-05-03
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 10:53 pm | |
| I was only reminding myself on Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago of his current status. He had one of the best smiles in rock 'n' roll. |
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Nightjar
Posts : 114196 Karma : 931 Join date : 2018-05-05
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 11:01 pm | |
| He did an immense job of being a screaming queen in his day.
A gay black man.
I guess he managed to hide it all in plain sight in bravura style.
Gurning and nutter out-nuttering the psychopathic misanthrope redneck Jerry Lee Lewis.
A pioneer.
A kind of vaudeville act, but with actual material. _________________ Disprove the return of a potato (5)
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 11:04 pm | |
| Like Fangirl, I also had a vague notion he hadn't seen 1960. A late 50's plane crash or something. |
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 11:13 pm | |
| And what exactly is wrong with vaudeville NJ?
My grandfathers grandmother started in vaudeville, before specializing in 'serio-comedic' performances, and then blended both with stage acting. We are all very proud of her - by all accounts she was a very difficult, wickedly selfish, and shockingly wayward slapper.
She only killed herself after a triumphant post WWI return to the stage, after which she waited to read that the reviews in the next day's papers were positive. Only then did she go to join the son in the sky, who hadn't come back from the front.
Such is the stuff of which I am made. You don't come up through vaudeville without the character to survive. |
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 11:14 pm | |
| Rest in paradise, Little Richard. |
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Fangirl Three
Posts : 11560 Karma : 397 Join date : 2018-05-03
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sat May 09, 2020 11:56 pm | |
| - cosmictanya wrote:
- Like Fangirl, I also had a vague notion he hadn't seen 1960. A late 50's plane crash or something.
Yes. I was fairly sure there'd been a plane crash. _________________ ' "Haven't got houses." Where do they live then?'
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Nightjar
Posts : 114196 Karma : 931 Join date : 2018-05-05
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 12:00 am | |
| Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, Big Bopper? _________________ Disprove the return of a potato (5)
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Butterfield
Posts : 20106 Karma : 417 Join date : 2018-05-03
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:13 am | |
| I don't really care how modern life judges Little Richard now, but to state you were no longer gay after "turning to God and becoming straight" was a daring, intriguing, and rather unique thing to do in the celebrity world. And the one thing you can't accuse Little Richard of it not being unique. I can see Julian Clary going down this route in the future. |
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:25 am | |
| I'm not sure submitting to evidence free psychological abuse is daring or intriguing. Depending on location, it's sadly not unique either. The numbers of vulnerable men - mainly, who have been and continue to be tortured by charlatans who should not only be struck from professional practice, but also doing serious time, is unreal.
"Special place in hell", etc. Creating and defending space for people to live the very best versions of themselves is incumbent on us all. Almost nothing is more important than that.
I'd eat my hat if Julian Clary had the slightest houseroom for such a thing as 'conversion therapy'. |
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Butterfield
Posts : 20106 Karma : 417 Join date : 2018-05-03
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:41 am | |
| I didn't say I liked it and can disagree with some of his comments just like I can disagree with any other celebrity's comments. I just find it unique and fascinatingly controversial - how many other celebrities have publicly come out then publicly gone back in the closet?
I don't think of religion as psychological abuse, but then I've been there and lived to tell the tale and am no more messed up than some people who have shunned religion completely. I hope he was happy enough in whatever frame of mind he himself ended up in - gay, straight or whatever conclusion he came to. Every gay person has a different take on life and the lives of others; and for that matter so does every religious person. |
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:56 am | |
| No doubt. Please don't think I'm having a go at you, or your beliefs, or trying to make a wider point about organized worship*. I simply say, if that's what Little Richard was subjected to, that's a very sad thing. The joys of life belong to all of us, no matter who we are. It's totally effed up.
Falling in love with who you will, and developing/refining the carnal knowledge and desire that drive your very core, is one the few pleasures of adulthood. That beside, adulthood isn't all it's cracked up to be. We all have to take our consensual pleasures wherever they may be.
*My understanding is that the vast majority of organised religious groups support what I've said. So called 'conversion' therapy is a cruel con trick at best, and at worst actively dangerous. Either way, it doesn't operate in the world of peer reviewed evidence, and for good reason - it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
The idea of someone/anyone living half a life, and denying themselves the happiness their own feelings can provide - that's heartbreaking. It also steals (mostly in secret, until it falls to bits) from the partner they 'settle' for, who had an equal right to be loved in the way they desired, rather than used as an unwitting experiment. |
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| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 7:30 am | |
| I was surprised how many religious records he put and so early too. |
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Nightjar
Posts : 114196 Karma : 931 Join date : 2018-05-05
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 9:51 am | |
| Virtually every black Soul or R&B artist was brought up in deeply religious (Christian) families and communities.
What's more, their talents would've been recognised and nurtured within the church setting as gospel musicians - singers and organists especially.
I can't think of single one who wasn't in fact.
Many of them, after they became big stars in the secular world of pop music, either struggled deeply with a perceived 'turning your back on God' psychological crisis, or revisited religious themes time and again.
Many also, in later life, indeed became pastors and preachers and ceased making pop music altogether, instead releasing music of a devoutly religious nature.
Penance and all that. _________________ Disprove the return of a potato (5)
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:27 pm | |
| I don't want Butterfield to feel like I was trying to pick a fight over this. I didn't actually say anything about religion, only about peddlers of snake oil 'therapies'. If some religious people recognize themselves in that category of person, that's their lookout.
I just think that this man being made to feel defective and confused is really sad, bleak. There are still kids today having these 'values' imposed on them, and people causing real harm and making money out of offering to 'fix' people who have nothing wrong with them. |
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cosmictanya
Posts : 5923 Karma : 240 Join date : 2019-08-14
| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Sun May 10, 2020 2:46 pm | |
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- tortured by charlatans who should not only be struck from professional practice, but also doing serious time, is unreal.
Struck from professional practice for being charlatans, jailed for fraud - I was indeed talking about 'psychologists' offering/pushing/selling conversion therapy. I said nothing about priests, nuns, rabbis, vicars, imams, etc, nor of the propensity or not of various organised religions to encourage mental and emotional abuse. |
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SiberianPrincess’sMidriff
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| Subject: Re: Little Richard has died! Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:06 pm | |
| He's good value in this Dick Cavett show: https://youtu.be/KLEEoBhTw5A?t=3560 should have got him on with Mort Sahl. _________________ I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird strange, sick, twisted, eerie, Godless, evil stuff…
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